Question:
Why are 1000cc sportbikes bad for your first bike?
Elyk
2008-06-19 12:32:07 UTC
I know why, but I didn't know if anyone else knew more reasons than I already do. My cousin who has only ridden dirtbikes just bought a 2005 Yamaha R1 as a first bike. Now I have ridden 600's and I KNOW that that is all you need plus more for the street.

I need more reasons, besides insurance costs, so I can win this argument we've been having.

He's letting me take it out, and letting me borrow it for my MSF instructor certification class. Should be interesting.
25 answers:
mushki
2008-06-19 14:17:37 UTC
The main reason that I think a 1000cc rocket is too much of a bike for a new rider is the ease at which the bikes can power wheelie. I had been riding sportbikes (acbr600f4i) for five years before I was ever able to ride a 1000cc and in that first ride home I stood the thing up past the balance point just accelerating onto an on ramp, it caught me totally off guard but at least I knew to use the rear brake, a skill a new rider would not even know about much less think to do when paniced. I will admit that a 1000cc can be used by the right type of people to learn on, but normally the sensable type of person does not gravitate towards these bikes before they have a few years of experance on bikes. With stock gearing a liter bike will power wheelie in both first and second gears without even trying, and with a little throttle manipulation it can be done in third as well, possibly even fouth but I have never done that, other claim they can. Another reason is these bikes will break the rear free at lean under acceleration very easily whick we all know is not the bet thing for a new guy just learning the ropes, knowing when you can hammer the throttle is something that takes time to learn and accelerating under control is also a skill newbies will have to learn, even a 600cc bike can bite a new guy with ease. Ten-twelve years ago the big 900cc sportbikes only made as much power as the new 600cc bikes make. They were alot heavier to boot but people warned new riders to start on 600c bikes or cruisers, dual sports. While the tires, brakes and suspentions have made riding these bikes easier you still cannot just jump on one with no prior experance and expect not to have something bad happen, hopefully just some plastic will get wrecked and only their pride will be hurt.
anonymous
2008-06-19 16:40:48 UTC
Here's the thing about why people think 1000cc sportbikes are bad for beginners.

There are great numbers of young people who don't have any common sense and a sense of responsibility whatsoever and a tendency to be wreckless idiots when they are given the power of a 1000cc sportbike. This provides endless news and reports of speeding tickets, accidents and deaths.

The large numbers of these idiots give the impression that everyone that gets on a 1000cc sportbike the first time will be wreckless and speed and stunt.



If anyone has any common sense. There is no difference in the operation of a 250cc bike and a 1000cc bike. It's all how the rider controls himself and the throttle.



Even if 9 out of 10 beginner riders get on a 1000cc the first time and they mentally turn into retards, then that is unfortunate that there are that many idiots in our society, but it doesn't prove that everyone is incapable of handling a 1000cc sportbike as a beginner. If you trust that you are that one rider out of that 10 that isn't an idiot and has some basic knowledge of riding a motorcycle, you can easily handle it.



As long as your feet touch the ground and you can heep the bike verticle and can handle the weight of the bike in turns and all that, it doesn't matter how big the engine is.



This being all said, is it much wiser to start off with something less powerful and smaller for a first bike? Yes it is, especially if you aren't sure of yourself or the motorcycle.
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2016-03-18 07:10:57 UTC
I've been riding dirtbikes since I was in second grade. My first bike was a 125, and i could barely reach the footpegs. Through the years I have had some pretty tough crashes, and plenty of sketchy situations. My first road bike is a 1000cc sportbike, i've been riding it since i was fourteen, going to work and back, so if that teenager has the experience, and accepts the risk, I don't see a problem.
kunzie
2016-11-13 15:05:17 UTC
1000cc Sport Bikes
anonymous
2008-06-20 01:51:48 UTC
I started out riding a Yamaha Radian, which is basically a 400 frame with an FZR motor on it, Bought an FZR 600 about 2 years later, and then an FZR 1000.... which was a beast.



I had been riding about 15 years before I bought my YZF 1000R Thunderace in 1997, I traded my FZR1000 in on it.



I climbed aboard the YZF and headed home...and everytime I squeezed the throttle I was like "JESUS"...



I still have it today, and I still have to be careful on it...a little too much throttle in a turn will kick the back wheel...



An R1 is no different than an R6 as a begginer bike...both of them can get away from you.



The new R6 will toast a 1998 first year R1, so to say an R6 would be a better starter bike is CRAZY... today, neither of those bikes are starter bikes...learning to ride a bike on an R1 is like learning to drive in a Lamborghini... but learning to ride a bike on an R6 is like learning to drive in a Porsche... neither is a good idea.



Anyone wanting to get into riding sport bikes, my recommendation is to go find a used FZR 600, you can pick them up pretty cheap, they have a nice look to them, and if you drop it who cares... its still not a perfect starter bike, but atleast its not 160 BHP!!!
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2015-08-20 11:48:07 UTC
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RE:

Why are 1000cc sportbikes bad for your first bike?

I know why, but I didn't know if anyone else knew more reasons than I already do. My cousin who has only ridden dirtbikes just bought a 2005 Yamaha R1 as a first bike. Now I have ridden 600's and I KNOW that that is all you need plus more for the street.



I need more reasons, besides...
anonymous
2008-06-19 14:53:51 UTC
Literbikes are bad for your first bike for the same reasons that an FA-18 fighter jet is not a good first airplane or a Formula 1 car is not a good idea for a first car. There is too much power and the handling is too sharp for inexperienced people to handle.



Bikes are inanimate objects. They only respond to rider inputs, so if the rider doesn't know EXACTLY what to do a motorcycle will spit them off. Now throw panic-level acceleration and speeds above 150mph, and you'd better have a lot of experience to handle what comes next.



Besides, motorcycling isn't about going fast in a straight line; that's for squids with no skill. Riding is about exploring the limits of your ability and the bike's abilities, not putting around town at half throttle, which is all you can really do on a literbike.



I personally like 600cc's better. They handle crisper, are easier to throw around, and I feel more "tuned in" to the feedback they give.
anonymous
2008-06-19 12:44:59 UTC
It's not so much that 1000cc sportbikes are necessarily 'bad' for your first bike.



It's just that they are kind of, how shall we say... 'ballistic'.



Which is not what you need to have between your legs when you are just figuring out how to keep yourself on the road, off of someones bumper, and away from other large immovable objects.



It's also nice when (not if) you lay your bike down, that it isn't a spiffy looking one with a full plastic fairing.



Personally, I stick to cruiser style bikes - my current one is an '06 Suzuki Boulevard C50 that I bought new for about 7K.



It isn't a rocketship, but it definitely isn't a dog either. 800cc Fuel injected, water cooled V-twin, shaft drive. Plenty of torque, and comfortable for long trips with floorboards and big azz seat.



Like I said - there's nothing wrong with a sportbike, just know what you are doing before you hop on one and put yourself in a wheelchair (or in a box).
Kevin P
2008-06-19 14:41:05 UTC
I've been riding 25 years and never rode a sport bike bigger then my Gixxer 750, just the other day I took my brothers Hayabusa 1300 out. Scared the crap out of myself, and I'm a real good rider. I would advise against a 1000cc bike for your first one. Take a safety course to help you with your proficiency. Be safe and have fun...KP
tunnellram
2008-06-19 12:47:48 UTC
You don't start in the big league. You work your way up. A 1000 is a missile if it's in the wrong hands. Learn on something a little more forgiving, and live longer. I've been riding for over 25 years, so I am not anti bike. Just be careful on a bike that is beyond your skill level. I saw a guy get hit Tuesday while leaving the shop.
anonymous
2008-06-19 12:57:46 UTC
A bigger bike gives a beginner less room for error. It takes longer to use the full benefit of the bigger machine. So, a smaller bike is a significantly faster learning experience for a new rider. 9/10ths out a smaller bike is more fun, and significantly better experience than 50% on a BIG bike.



Plus you tend to get pulled over more often, more tickets, means more expense. The gas mileage is worse than a 250 cc (Primary Trainer), by as much as 100%. Wrecking it costs more to the insurance man, so the insurance rates are higher. And the bigger machine is more likely to be stolen by a chop shop, and sold for parts.



Oh. The price of the initial investment is also higher, higher repair rates, charges to synchronize all those carbs, all those spark plugs, rebuilding caruretors. MUCH more maintenance.



Does that about cover it?
Charley
2016-01-30 12:13:32 UTC
1000cc sportbikes bad bike
ALAI
2008-06-19 12:44:03 UTC
1000cc sport bikes are too powerful to learn on. They accelerate extremely quickly. With all of the low-end torque, a small twist of the wrist is all it takes to dump an R1.
wildmanvz
2008-06-19 12:36:20 UTC
They are powerful and heavy.



You should start with something that has less power because it will be easier to control and there is less of a chance of shock during acceleration and deceleration, especially if you accidental roll the throttle and let off the clutch to fast.



You want to start with a lighter bike because it is easier to take through corners and if you do dump it then it is easier to pick back up too you will not have to strain with a 600lb bike.
anonymous
2008-06-19 15:33:51 UTC
They are just not learner bikes, I know people have in rare cases. But a lot have died in the first 72 hours after buying one and usually it is because the bike would do things that they did not know how to handle. Power wheelies and stoppies rolling burnouts do not show good riding just stupidity of squids
anonymous
2008-06-19 14:23:58 UTC
It'll be an expensive learner bike, and even more expensive to fix after it is dropped a time or two. Get an inexpensive, used standard/naked bike or dual sport to learn on. Then move up.
Jeff
2017-02-28 03:16:28 UTC
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anonymous
2008-06-19 12:41:04 UTC
Too much power with someone lacking the experience to harness it an utilize it to its full potential. A rookie will either tear it up or kill himself. Get a Ninja 250, that's all you need to start off
anonymous
2014-10-11 21:30:32 UTC
My first motorcycle is a 2002 CBR 954 RR. I've had it for 3 months, and here are my thoughts on getting a superbike for your first bike.



Here's a little on background: I'm in my mid-30s now, and have wanted a superbike for years. I grew up on a farm operating machinery. Started driving on my own at about 11 or 12. (We lived in the sticks.) We had a 100cc dirt bike I rode some, but not a lot because it was terribly under-powered, and old, so it couldn't handle bumps very well. I also rode snowmobiles and ATVs for many years. And, I'm an avid cyclist -- I've logged many hours on two wheels under my own power. Back when I was 26, I took a YZF-R1 out for a ride, and decided that bike was too much for me at the time -- I value my legs, and know that the #1 thing that people lose in a motorcycle accident are their legs.



Now, I'm a pilot, flying wide-body airliners, and my training has matured my thinking greatly when it comes to operating machines. I pay close attention to specs, limitations, and seek out the best knowledge when it comes to learning new skills and techniques. I take this approach when it comes to motorcycles as well. I started by taking a course from the Motorcycle Safety Foundation -- that gave me a good base to start from when it comes to basic motorcycle handling, and motorcycle safety on public roads. Roads are WAY more dangerous than a track. (There are plenty of dangerously inattentive drivers on the road who do not see motorcycles, and most curves do not have any run-off area.)

I STUDY a lot, then go out and practice. What do I study? I started with watching the video "Twist of the Wrist II" by Kieth Code. I've watched it several times now, and learn something every time I watch it. I also got his book by the same name and have read through that, and will continue to glean it for key bits of knowledge. I also plan to book a course with the California Superbike School. 2-days is almost $2500 -- that's the price of good knowledge and training. If you're not willing/able to invest that kind of time and money in the training, are you willing to invest that kind of money in hospital bills and destroyed bikes?



Speaking of expenses, when I bought my bike, I also purchased the gear. Riding gear are not mere accessories - they are essential pieces of equipment to provide a minimal level of protection acceptable for riding a motorcycle on the road or track. Helmet, gloves, leather jacket and pants with back protection, shoulder protection, elbow and knee protection. Boots. It's ALL essential. And it ALL costs money. So, factor that into the equation no matter what bike you buy. I like my body, and I like it in one piece, even more than I like going fast. Look up "foot deglove" images on google, and you get the idea why wearing the proper gear, including boots is essential. (Remember that even with all the gear, you can still get your body terribly mangled -- that's why properly applied knowledge is your level 1 defense against getting injured.)



I am constantly scouring youtube for videos showing how/why accidents occur. I look for patterns in rider error, and patterns in car/truck driver habits that lead to traps on the road. When on the road, my eyes are searching ALL the time. We all have lapses in focus, so part of the discipline associated with riding is to recognize one of those lapses and snap back into full engagement with what's going on around you -- traffic, road surface, weather, debris, flashing lights, construction, etc.



Riding a motorcycle is WAY more complex than driving a car. The physics involved, and the way you need to use your body in conjunction with negotiating a turn is very different from a car. It takes excellent motor skills (e.g. hand-eye coordination, finely tuned throttle control, and precise steering input). You constantly use your hands for steering, shifting, breaking, and for throttle control. You use your feet for shifting, braking, and for moving your body around on the bike. You use your knees to grip the bike and maintain stable contact with the machine.



As you increase speed, the handling changes as well because of the gyroscopic effect of the wheels, and the inertia of the bike. Just like with an airplane, to take the same corner at a higher speed requires a higher lean angle. You need to understand your limits and your machine's limits. You need to understand suspension, and how a properly adjusted suspension will help you maintain contact with the road, and help you handle a corner at speed. You need to understand high-side and low-side crashes -- how they occur, and techniques to prevent them from occurring.



I've heard it said that Formula 1 racing is 80% car and 20% driver, whereas MotoGP is 20% bike and 80% rider. That tells you how important rider skill is when it comes to riding a superbike.



At the end of the day, my CBR can be ridden like a scooter... It balances quite nicely at 3mph. It's all about how the rider handles the machine. Knowledge and discipline are the keys to staying right-side up. The trick is being able to assess oneself to determine if you have enough knowledge and discipline to keep it all together. Otherwise, really you can be just as dead on a 250 -- it just won't happen as fast as on a 1-liter bike.



Ride Safe!
anonymous
2008-06-19 18:19:41 UTC
Your cousin isn't a newbie. He's experienced with dirtbikes, so he's not going to do something dumb. So stop arguing with him.
Nathan H
2008-06-19 12:59:14 UTC
it is a 1000cc he will kill him self
anonymous
2008-06-19 15:05:43 UTC
the msf course gives you bikes to ride
anonymous
2008-06-19 12:35:42 UTC
cuz they're 1000cc's!!!!
Fester Frump
2008-06-19 12:48:44 UTC
somebody is jealous.
anonymous
2008-06-19 12:37:18 UTC
people think they are too powerful...



and i can kinda see the point, maybe i don't remember what it was like back then, i dunno...


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